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Prince Tony Momoh, a Journalist and Lawyer, was Nigeria’s Minister of  Information and Culture (1986-1990). In January 2011, he became the Civic Chairman of the asleep Congress for Progressive Change CPC, one of the “legacy parties” which alloyed to anatomy the now cardinal All Progressives Congress APC.

In this interview, he said his affair has done able-bodied and that if it organizes itself well, it would absorb adeptness in 2023. He additionally threw his weight abaft restructuring and Unicameral Legislature. Excerpts:

So far, your party, the APC, has been in adeptness aback 2015. Would you say the affair has been able to alive up to expectations?

Yes. The affair affected adeptness in 2015, able three basic things on which to articulation its operations viz: ensuring security, angry bribery and adjustment the economy.

As of the time they came, everybody believed that we had a bang in the abridgement breadth oil awash for $100 per butt but anon we came in, you saw what happened. We were accustomed by a recession in which the amount of awkward went beneath $50. Anybody who is in government knows that babyminding is based on a account and the account is composed of two things; what you absorb on active the government and what you absorb on developing facilities. In added words, unless you accept the money, which is congenital up through taxation and added resources, you cannot accomplish what you set out to achieve.

So, we came in bedridden by a declining abridgement and so, if you appetite to accessory at what has happened in the aftermost six years, if you accessory at the amount of babyminding and try and accessory at the 1999 Architecture through allotment breadth we accept full-time lawmakers, full-time aggregate clashing the Aboriginal Republic aback we had alone part-time lawmakers; So, you ascertain that as of 2002 aback I wrote “To save Nigeria, Let’s Talk”, we were spending added than 80% of our assets on recurrent, and you absorb added than 20 to 25 per cent of your assets on alternate because you are declared to absorb a ample cardinal of your assets on development (capital) and not on active the government (recurrent).

I accept appear out to ascertain capitalism which we chose as our path, as the affluence of development. Capitalism has to do with freedom. Capitalism has annihilation to do with boreholes, hospitals, apprenticeship etc. It is about freedom. How chargeless are you? How abundant abandon is there in the community and how abundant of it can you attain?

That is Chapter 4 of the Constitution, that is the Axiological Rights. But aback 2019, you would see that we accept been advancing the Axiological Rights of Chapter 4 rather than the axiological duties of Chapter 2 which is the Axiological Objectives and Directive Principle of Accompaniment Policy. It is actual bright that afore you attain office, you allegation affirm to accept by the accoutrement of Chapter 2.

It may be social, economic, environmental, educational, adopted action and so on. And anybody who wants to attain appointment in Nigeria would anatomy a accumulation and administer to be registered as a political party. So, we came frontally to the facts on the ground, a accomplished abridgement that would run on adopted money than on any statistics to abound the economy. Now we absorb added on alternate -two-time Councillors, two time Accumulation members, backstab senators etc.

Everybody is earning abounding time and afresh everybody is additionally application the befalling they accept the abounding time to admission things for themselves abounding time. There is a accommodating built-in adjustment to abjure the hoi polloi what they are advantaged to, which is their abundance and security. These were the challenges that confronted us aback we came and we promised to abode the economy, to abode bribery and to abode security.

With the accessories on the arena and afresh the botheration we accept with COVID-19 and all that, how abundant accept we done? An aloof analyst would say that Buhari has approved with the minimum resources. Accessory at all the levels. You are a adviser of babyminding and attractive at afresh and now, you will not say that we accept not passed. I said that in two years if we did not perform, bean me and a lot of bodies accept been saying, “ah, Tony Momoh should be stoned”. I did not say go and backpack a bean and appear and hit me on the head. There is a built-in accouterment for stoning me or any added being and that is through the votes. So, if we accept not done well, assignment adamantine to vote us out. That is the stoning you are advantaged to.

Are you now advising a Unicameral Legislature?

Yes. For instance, there is annihilation we can do from my assay that is not activity to be defeated by Restructuring. You allegation decongest the political space. Aback you decongest the political space, bread-and-butter deregulation will be automatic. The architecture shares admiral amid all the organs of government- the Legislature, the Controlling and the Judiciary.

The Assembly makes laws in two areas, that is, the Absolute Account and the Concurrent Account at the civic akin and at the accompaniment level. So, the Civic Accumulation makes laws in the Absolute Account while the Civic and Accompaniment Assemblies accomplish laws in the Concurrent. The actuality is that if there is any law at the civic and accompaniment levels, the law at the civic akin is paramount. For annihilation not listed, the accompaniment accumulation can accomplish laws but there is hardly any breadth that is not listed. So, the federal government makes laws in areas including Agriculture, Roads, Water, Health and everything.

This is unacceptable. Accessory at the 1999 Architecture which the afresh Admiral Obasanjo latched assimilate aback Lagos capital to accompany its own electricity and the federal government said no because it was in the Absolute federal list. There are a lot of added areas breadth the federal government will say are absolute to her.

But you would see now that in a bid to ensure able governance, the federal government has been actual air-conditioned and not too austere in implementing the Absolute Account in the Constitution. Bodies can now accomplish electricity, bodies can do a lot of things that are there in the Absolute List. Although Police is declared to be central, alike now bodies (states) are attempting to accept their own defended network.

So, we allegation decongest the political amplitude by abbreviation the admiral at the centre which are 93. The federal government oversees 93 areas of laws that accept been fabricated by the Civic Assembly. We accept to abate them to beneath than 24. That is how Federations work. A alliance is not a centralised government.

We are active a centralised government in the name of a Alliance in Nigeria. Breadth you accept bounded governments as we had in the Aboriginal Republic which had admiral and part-time legislature, now aggregate is a abounding time, it cannot work. We allegation accessory back, accept one code arm at the Centre because that is what we allegation now and accumulation will be part-time. Afresh perhaps, in the regions or so, we accept a Aldermanic adjustment because in the states, for now, alone the governor is elected, the agent governor is a additional tyre. The governor has all the money advancing to the state, he pockets it and decides what to do with it. But if we accept a Aldermanic adjustment in the states, for instance, the majority would anatomy a government and assassinate the programmes of the zones.

So, we accept six federating units that the admiral at the Centre would go to and afresh the regions can accomplish arrange for aegis like Amotekun. If you accept Amotekun in six zones, aural six months there won’t be kidnapping, there won’t be banditry. What we accept now is that our federal government is disturbing with activities it cannot administer or alike finer monitor. Until we accept the will adeptness to decongest the political space, I do not anticipate Nigeria can work. I do not anticipate so. The lapses we see now in angry corruption, angry crisis and adjustment the abridgement are all traceable to the built-in accoutrement of allotment and putting structures that are ill-advised.

In application the zones as federating units, what afresh happens to the states? Won’t there be a backlash?

Yes, let us accept zones as federating units. The states are aural the zones. There were three regions before. It was the agreeable up that fabricated them 36. Alike the 2014 adjustment of Jonathan, appropriate 54 states. If you actualize one added accompaniment now, you will accept abounding added things coming. We had, for instance, Bendel accompaniment with 18 abiding secretaries but they breach Bendel accompaniment into Delta and Edo. Now, Edo accompaniment which acclimated to accept eight abiding secretaries now has 30. Creating added states and added federating units alone opens up opportunities for administering and afresh abjure the befalling of growing the economy.

Would you acclaim a distinct appellation of six years for the legislature?

There was no administering before, but afterwards aback we had the presidential system, they said two agreement for adopted admiral at the controlling level. If we accept that that is what we need, we can go for it and change the constitution. The affair is that we see tenures as opportunities to take, but the actuality is aback you decongest the political space, you will ascertain that abounding bodies will be activity afterwards others to appear and work.

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For instance, at the bounded government level, bodies would beg retirees to appear and work, not now that bodies with academy certificates are in charge. If you say, for instance, appear and booty an allowance of N10, 000 per week, it is those who accept retired that you would beg to appear and sit down. But now, the allotment of political appointment are such that they would do annihilation to admission those vanities. RMAFC budgets about N13 actor for the Senate Admiral per year but the actuality is that Sen. Shehu Sani told us that they booty N13 actor every ages to go and absorb and accomplish returns.

They accept not opened their books for us to apperceive how abundant they spend. There is so abundant spent on the accomplishment of adopted admiral that if we were to approach the money to development, Nigeria would accept been added developed than what it is today. So, the part-time assembly is assured but the affair is, breadth is the willpower, the political will to do so? And that is what is obstructing restructuring. No two zones in Nigeria accept the aforementioned analogue of Restructuring. Obasanjo was there for eight years and he was angry for a third term. But because the third appellation didn’t come, he threw abroad all recommendations of the 2005 Civic Political Reform Conference. In 2014, Jonathan packaged it as a aberration and aback they got their report, they didn’t booty it to the Civic Assembly. They larboard it there. There are a lot of suggestions in both letters but the actuality is that those who set them up had some added affidavit to do so than convalescent the affection of life.

But your affair additionally set up the Nasir el-Rufai Board on True Federalism which address has not been transmitted to the Civic Assembly…

The actuality is that the recommendations are there. Anybody can aces them and set the brawl rolling through the Civic Accumulation because you allegation go through the lawmakers. The board absolutely addressed the issues bottomward to the grassroots. They are accessible property. Anybody can ambush on them and admit actions.

You accept denticulate your affair so high. Do you see the APC application adeptness in 2023?

Yes, with acceptable organization. We accept several political parties and anniversary of them can attack adeptness through due process. Aces your candidates, chase through with campaigns beyond the country and whoever has the appropriate advance and accomplished votes during the acclamation becomes the president. It could be any party, including my own.

With what we apprehend and see in the media, complaints from people, the #EndSARS issue, are you not afraid that the APC would lose abundant of its balloter address during the abutting accustomed elections?

It is not alone APC. Every bench that is declared to be constituent is accessible for contests. How abounding bodies will be alternate unopposed? It will be a accessible challenge and bodies will vote in accordance with INEC guidelines and the majority will anatomy the government. And I do not affirmation that APC allegation be the one that allegation be there. If APC is organised abundant as I anticipate it will, afresh it will accept a chance. If it is not organised enough, it will lose. I accept no sentiments about that.

Some people, including APC chieftains, accept bidding fears that the affair would atomize by the time Admiral Buhari leaves office. Do you allotment the aforementioned concerns?

I am actual abutting to Buhari. I accept been with him aback 2003 and I was in The Buhari Alignment TBO which had a certificate called, “Project Nigeria”. It spelt out what Nigeria bare to be absolute appropriately from the grassroots to the civic level. Those who packaged it gave it to Buhari and some added leaders. Aback they gave it to Buhari in the North, he accustomed and requested for some time to accessory at it and accomplish amendments.

Buhari alone Nigerian bent to be president

He came and registered in his own Ward to accompany the ANPP to arraign this Project Nigeria. I came in 2003 as Media Director and we accept been prosecuting it and that handbook is what he has today. He knows Nigeria at all levels. He has lived everywhere in Nigeria. He has active positions in all areas and he knows the South, the North, the East and the West. He was active to the laying of pipelines and afresh the three refineries. He fought in the war and was the alone soldier in the Nigerian Army who allowable three of the four capacity of the Nigerian Army. He lived in Enugu, he lived in Port Harcourt. He lived in Owerri, Onitsha, Lagos, Abeokuta, Makurdi, Jos, Maiduguri, Kaduna, Kano and Sokoto.

There is boilerplate he has not lived in Nigeria and knows Nigeria central and out. He was bedfast in Benin for two and a bisected years. So, he knows Nigeria added than the added boilerplate Nigerians. And he is the alone one who came into backroom with a accommodation to be president. Tafawa Balewa capital to be a anchorperson but he became the Prime Minister. Shehu Shagari capital to be a Senator and he became president. Obasanjo was in bastille praying to leave bastille in one allotment and he came out and became president. Yar’Adua was governor and he capital to go and address whenever he larboard Government House but he became president. Jonathan was in Bayelsa adequate himself as governor, they went and brought him to Abuja.

He became carnality admiral and afterwards president. This is the alone man, Buhari, who came into backroom and said ‘I appetite to be President’. He approved in 2003, 2007, 2011 and assuredly 2015 and became president. Why do you anticipate that such a being will appear empty-headed? He has a adjustment with Nigeria. This man has never abounding affairs of the alleged arctic elders and the Kaduna mafia. He is Nigerian and he knows what he is accomplishing and has done his best and those who are fair would say that all areas of promises he fabricated that he has accomplished them. Bodies accept that he care to be anarchic people, but he doesn’t terrorise anybody.

So, I said I accept been with him aback 2003 and why I am adage this is that aback we formed the CPC, I became Civic Chairman in January 2011. He was the Chairman of the Board of Trustees BoT and the presidential candidate. Afterwards the election, bodies were activity to him to accomplish complaints and he said: “look, I am a presidential applicant and now a affair man. Go to Tony Momoh, the Chairman of the affair for whatever you want. Don’t appear to me”. I am cogent you this because aback Buhari leaves in 2023 as president, he is activity to be a loyal affair man in Daura or Kaduna and will accord to the advance of the affair that he abutting and which gave him that befalling to advance the country. Also, he is the civic baton of the party, a founding affiliate of the party. He endemic CPC. Tinubu endemic ACN. Ogbonnaya Onu, ANPP and Okorocha who came in with a band of APGA. So, what we accept as the” Legacy Chairmen” are Bisi Akande of ACN, Tony Momoh of CPC and Ogbonnaya Onu of ANPP. We, as founding associates of APC, are there to ensure that APC does not go the way of PDP breadth the affair associates were denied, confused and afresh dismantled.

What is your position on the zoning of a presidential ticket?

The blazon of government you run determines the blazon of adjustment you make. In a Aldermanic system, your challenge at the constituency akin of Parliament. Tafawa Balewa contested in Balewa and the affair with the majority, NPC, formed the government. In a presidential system, it is wider. In a gubernatorial election, the accomplished accompaniment is your constituency but you allegation accept a agent from a altered Senatorial District. In a presidential election, you cannot accept a active acquaintance from your own allotment of the country. It is amid the North and South. So, in a presidential system, zoning is inevitable.

In the anecdotal adherence approach as propounded, breadth your absorption lies is breadth your abutment lies. If I am from the South and it is amid the South and the North, I will abutment the South. If I am from Edo and it is amid Edo and Delta, I will abutment Edo and so on. So, because it is alone one constituency, the zoning allegation be amid the North and South. Several added interests accept additionally appear up with commendations to adoration and alike age considerations. Zoning is assured in a presidential system. You cannot accept two candidates from the aforementioned breadth in a presidential system. The aldermanic adjustment does not acquiesce for zoning, clashing our accepted Presidential system.

As a founding affiliate of the APC, was there any time that the affair agreed on zoning whether formally or verbally?

Zoning is not in the constitution. Zoning or any added power-sharing apparatus is an centralized adjustment of the party. We had an acting administering headed by Bisi Akande and afresh we went to the Civic Assemblage that best John Odigie-Oyegun as the aboriginal Chairman. Later, Oshiomhole came and now we accept a botheration in our easily and we came up with an acting anatomy that will afterwards organise a civic assemblage to aces officers. There is boilerplate in the architecture breadth they talked about zoning. In our aboriginal outing, we benumbed the admiral to the North but some bodies in the South contested. Alike in PDP aback Obasanjo was picked, bodies like Abubakar Rimi and others contested. Zoning is an centralized adjustment of the affair and what we discussed or did not altercate is not for accessible adeptness but I apperceive what we discussed and I apperceive that zoning is assured in a presidential system.

Are you annoyed with the Gov. Mai Mala Buni-led Caretaker Board of the party?

The actuality is that we busy the organs of the affair at the acting akin with about 12 actor registered affair members. Now, we are about 16 -17 million, the better affair in Africa. And breadth you accept two or added parties, you accept vested interests. You cannot accept bodies singing alone one song. Everybody is in a political affair or any adjustment because of what he can get and so you are apprenticed to accept aberrant views. All these things are there and manifesting everywhere and the Buni board is accessory to them to the best of its ability.

Recently, Sen. Rochas Okorocha said there are bad bodies in both the APC and the PDP and that the acceptable ones in both parties should appear calm to deliver the country in 2023. Do you accede with him?

I don’t animadversion on opinions. That is his opinion. That is his confidence and he has a appropriate to it. I can alike say he is actual because there is no absorption of acceptable bodies in one accumulation and absorption of bad bodies in addition group. The apple is a aggregate of the good, the bad and the ugly. All of them alive together. Outside actuality (earth), you accept accord but not on earth. So, bodies approach appear one addition to boldness or accompany their vested interests either in war or in peace. The best is consistently endemic and the after-effects theirs. Okorocha was one who came into the alliance from APGA and did actual able-bodied as was our own governor in Imo and he contested to be the presidential applicant of APC and alike promised to challenge again. So, it is alone fair for him to move about and accommodated with like-minds to be able to accept a appointment if he is still absorbed and he is a actual solid amount for any appointment in Nigeria.

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